Relax! Stop fuckin’ thinking so much! Its not that hard.
I have an idea about AA for guys that have been at this for a while and still have a problem with it.
Two things I noticed..
I’ve noticed that even the guys that have the most trouble with opening, will occasionally get it right. Only problem it almost seems accidental to them because they can’t seem to recognize how easy it was. But theres one thing that’s obvious to those that are opening machines… the fear is only momentary, because once you’re engaged, the fear totally disappears. And that’s exactly why it’s so ellusive to those with bad AA.
But it’s simply like getting a shot in your arm, its over before you know it and the fear is largely imagined. Having a predefined opener or not has no impact on this. But getting into a talkative, playful state, does. You just got to get engaged.
And, getting introduced by your friend takes the pressure off, so to speak, but keep in mind that technically… you ARE opening. Why is that any easier than just saying hello to someone standing across the room? The answer is it’s all imagined bullshit. There is none.
The second thing I noticed, and this is where I think having a canned opener can actually inhibit progress towards removing AA, is on what happens just before approaching. We all know it, the more you wait, the bigger the feeling of fear. Thus having canned material, may help some guys, in that it becomes one less thing you have to “think about”, but it doesn’t seem to resolve the problem, becuase there’s no generic enough of an opener, other than maybe “hello” could make sense in all situations.
Worse, even if they’re following the 3 second rule with a canned opener, they could be rehearsing the fucking line ever since got into the place, walking around the bar or club looking for that “perfect” girl that isn’t too scary to try this on her. Even when they do find a semi-ok chick, they’ll hold back to see if she’s at the right part of the bar, or whether she’s with someone or not… none which is needed or helpful thinking, and all of it causing the same effect of building up anxiety.
So then finally the fuckin’ moment, and instead of delivering it from a calm, chill, semi-interested, semi-playful tone… it comes out like a burst of over the top energy. They put SO MUCH effort into it and it shows, like a glaring red flag of desperation…
Not cool, at all. What girl would be into that? Totally needy, even with the best of intentions.
Then it becomes a typical procession of these guys questioning what went wrong. Maybe they think they didn’t peacock enough, or maybe too much, or maybe they need more social proof, or search for a more perfect opener, maybe direct, maybe indirect… on and on.
They see successes in others they know, they don’t feel like they’re part of that, and they start to backwards rationalize… eventually leading to blaming friends, gurus and coaches, or the community as a whole for misleading them and call it all a farce in bitterness.
The biggest forums are littered with threads of former wanna-be’s doing this, it’s nothing new.
Guys, stop fuckin’ think so much, and just go out with the intention of talking to new people and having fun. You’re only question, taken from RSD’s Tim should be, how can I make this fun? That’s it. Go with that, the second you get an impulse to say something… say IT.
December 2, 2008 at 11:27 am
Hey man, Nice blog. It’s true what you say about Approach Anxiety, and how guys need to just “roll” with it. I think you can help a lot of guys out with your stuff.
The biggest problem in the community is finding guys that don’t suck with women, can you help us out with that one?
December 2, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Heh, have you tried looking up your local lair? It does take effort to find someone you can wing with that’s committed and has some degree of skill.
Fortunately for me really, DC’s area has a few forums that are very well organized. http://www.metrodcpua.com is the best I found in terms of the guys genuinely willing to help each other and new guys. They hold free workshops, they go out A LOT and they have some really good guys involved. They are even getting some celeb gurus to come give free workshops for the group because of how well organized. The last was Fuji from Mehow, on a day’s notice, Metro got 30+ guys to meet up with Fuji. Maybe it’s because of how this city runs, it’s all about networking… its in everyone’s blood here.
I don’t know much of outside lairs, (gawd, I hate calling them that, but whatever), from what I’ve read in some of NYC forums, they’re pretty contentious. It’s like they got a bunch of guys trying to out do each other and yet the DC forums seem genuinely working to team up. I’m not making any claims as to what lair gets the best girls… but I’m not interested in AMOGin’ my wings, I’m waaaay too busy having fun for that kind of nonsense.
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December 8, 2008 at 5:28 am
Just had a conversation with a guy who’s taking an improv class to boost is sense of timing and wordplay. It’s not a bad idea considering it gives focused practice on a skill without surrounding that practice with the pressure of talking to girls.
The only time I’ve used a “canned” line was when I was following up on a guy who has just talked to the same girl and struck out. Otherwise, new stuff. Doesn’t hurt to have a sense of style and not be creepy. =)
Seth
December 8, 2008 at 1:15 pm
SNAP! I loved it.
Your post was exactly what I’ve been thinking about for the last week: why do people over-complicate things?
Stop analyzing and start doing! Hurrah!
Cheers!
December 8, 2008 at 2:37 pm
The thing is, saying, “Hey, I just wanted to come over and meet you. I’m [name],” is near fool-proof. Hell, even just saying, “Hi,” in a non-creepy way works. We building up ourselves so much on making the perfect approach.
If I am correct Greg Maddox has never pitched a perfect game. But I’m pretty sure he still won over 350 games.
It’s cool. Just go in there and be fun. Enjoying your experience and interactions with people in a low-pressure environment should be what it’s about. Save that pressure for the workplace. Once you frame that in your mind, all this won’t even come up in your mind anymore.
December 8, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Hey I was wondering if you had any links to good podcasts. Tweet or email me! Thanks!
Oh and haven’t heard from any SD friends yet. Tell em don’t be shy! lol